Post subject: Certification Confused? Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:26 am
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Hello Everyone!
I have a concern and I know you guys will be able to shed some light on my issues.
1. What is the average time to get say:
a. CCNA
b. CCA
c. CCNP
d. MCSE
My point is this:it seems as soon as a IT person gets a cert, another upgrade comes along and within 1 or 2 years your knowledge is pushed to the way side and new shi@ comes out. This pisses me off.
For example, Say I wanted to get MCSE and CCNA and CCA certs
crap MCSE is a monster in itself: 7 tests! and CCA is 3 tests?
moreover, we have at our credit union 2000 servers and 2003 servers.
half and half of each. it is present 2006 and we are still using 2000 servers and will use them unless we are mandated by law or technology needs to upgrade to what the f@# 2006 or 2007 longhorn server.
freaking MS$$$ drives us IT guys nutz..
can someone give me advice
besides Headhunter who will tell me to throw in the towel and give up!
i know that dude already;
but someone can give me direction and a sense for achieve certs.
i understand IT is life long learning but as soon as one gets a cert, he is old news! shi#! you know what i am saying anyone???
it takes time to get MCSE 2003 and the longhorn server is coming out
and i hear it is like vista a whole new technology??? help me
!
itdaddy gone nutz!
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:06 pm
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What you miss is that the Microsoft are at the cutting edge of Operating Systems, and have to constantly keep moving.
However, and probably thankfully, businesses cannot keep up with the kind of pace that Microsoft do (the vast majority of them at least). I know this for a fact, the company I work for (I am the Systems Administrator there) run a Windows 2000 domain.
I've only been there a short while, but I can see scope for a 2003 migration, and a general consolidation and overall of our services.
But, think about how long a project would take? Vista will be out, and probably even Server 2007. I don't mind, it'll be 5-6 more years before we decide to move again, by which point 2007 will be long established.
Nobody, or very little companies will jump to 2007 next year, because it is all "new ground"
I'd be much more geared to delivering our first Windows Vista clients though later this year, but even then, there's nothing that Windows 2000/XP can't do for us as we are... so do we need to change at all? _________________ David Jones BSc (Hons)
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"What you miss is that the Microsoft are at the cutting edge of Operating Systems, and have to constantly keep moving. "
You said above.
I have to laugh for a moment. It is all about money!$$
Microsoft pushes the edge cause they can!
And all who become MSCE certified become little Bill gate supporters.
cause without MS$$, your certs are nothing!
not dogging you. Cause I am studying for MS$$ certs right now.
I love IT. I even love MS$$ sometimes. But Bill can sure push us too hard.
It is all fine you are in your dream job and it sounds like you are boss where you are. well i want to be big cheese one day.
and It takes long time while you work full time to finish all MCSE tests
and CCA and CCA. So like 3 years looks like lest i am a dumby!
What certs do you think will hold weight in the next 5 years?
You seem to feel confident about this?
I sure don't!
Will CCA and CCNA change or then it willl be like it is now.
MCSE 2k and MCSE 2k3 later MCSE 2k3 and MCSE 2k7?
what certs do you think are wise to get as aspiring system admin/network engineer in the next 5 years. just seems when youfinanlly get there.
something new comes out and you are old dog trash>
what am i not seeing here ..someone help me see!
thanks
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:33 pm
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itdaddy wrote:
"What you miss is that the Microsoft are at the cutting edge of Operating Systems, and have to constantly keep moving. "
You said above.
I have to laugh for a moment. It is all about money!$$
Microsoft pushes the edge cause they can!
And all who become MSCE certified become little Bill gate supporters.
cause without MS$$, your certs are nothing!
Of course it's about money, they are in business!
Microsoft have to push the edge, because if they don't, someone else will, and MS will lose ground.
And, HELL YEAH, i'm an MS Supporter. Why do you think i've devoted the past 15 years to knowing about Computers and using Microsoft? At the end of the day, it's their product I am skilled with using. If Microsoft fade away, then obviously I have to move ahead and find new skills elsewhere.
itdaddy wrote:
not dogging you. Cause I am studying for MS$$ certs right now.
I love IT. I even love MS$$ sometimes. But Bill can sure push us too hard.
I don't think he's pushing hard enough! When you get the majority of an MCSE completed, you should pretty much be an Expert at that Operating System. I'm coming to the end of my MCSE, i've been studying it along side jobs since December 2004, and am thoroughly pleased with the outcomes. Without the MCSA I have now, I wouldnt' have got the job i'm in now!
itdaddy wrote:
It is all fine you are in your dream job and it sounds like you are boss where you are. well i want to be big cheese one day.
and It takes long time while you work full time to finish all MCSE tests
and CCA and CCA. So like 3 years looks like lest i am a dumby!
I am in a dream job, for sure. Here's how long my MCSE has taken
Dec 04 = 70-270 (pass)
Mar 05 = 70-291 (fail)
Apr 05 = 70-290 (pass)
Jul 05 = 70-291 (pass)
Oct 05 = 70-284 (pass) MCSA: Messaging
Dec 05 = 70-293 (pass)
Mar 06 = 70-294 (pending)
Apr 06 = 70-297 (pending) MCSE
18 Months isn't a massive amount of time for what benefits you get out of it at the end. As I said, it's not as if MCSE on 2003 will be dead tomorrow.
BTW, i'm 22.
itdaddy wrote:
What certs do you think will hold weight in the next 5 years?
You seem to feel confident about this?
I sure don't!
Well, considering Windows Server 2007 is not out until probably Mid 2007, I would say an MCSE on 2003 is going to be good until 2010.
I say this with great confidence, as most businesses, as i mentioned before, will be reluctant to move to 2007. Don't forget, there's people out there with MCSE's on Windows 2000. That track will probably be retired when Windows Server 2007 is released. So, that's at least another 18 months just for those with MCSE's on 2000!
itdaddy wrote:
Will CCA and CCNA change or then it willl be like it is now.
MCSE 2k and MCSE 2k3 later MCSE 2k3 and MCSE 2k7?
I've no idea about CCA/CCNA
itdaddy wrote:
what certs do you think are wise to get as aspiring system admin/network engineer in the next 5 years. just seems when youfinanlly get there.
something new comes out and you are old dog trash>
what am i not seeing here ..someone help me see!
thanks
robert;D
MCSA on 2003
MCSE on 2003
Any specialisations of the above. _________________ David Jones BSc (Hons)
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Post subject: wow! Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:40 pm
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a year and a half!
my god dude!
what is your secrete?
what study aids do you use?
did you take courses or what is your system?
cause wow!
is that fast!
thanks for being patient and answering my questions
i know it about money and we should rute for MS$$ cause
we want the bucks too.
you have a BS degree already dont you!
i am happy for you!
i cant wait till i am head admin. cause i know more than my boss
and he says we cant i say we can! it is frustrting when he gets
the glory but i am the glory behind him and he will never promote me
over him. i am getting to my dream job. in my dream career field but not the job yet!
thanks for you help!
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Post subject: Re: wow! Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:45 pm
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Is that really fast?? I had no idea!
Here's my system.
1. Buy books.
2. Read books.
3. Setup Server at home.
4. Play.
5. Read books.
6. Read books.
7. Read books.
8. Take Practice Exams.
9. Book/Pass Exam.
So far, I think I've spent around £1000 GBP...
And yes, I have a BSc Degree. Got that in 2004, at 21. So when I finished University, I started MCSE .
As I say, been using computers since forever (I was actually 4), so just obsessed with it basically!
I really had no idea 18 months was fast for an MCSE though! _________________ David Jones BSc (Hons)
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Post subject: yeah it is Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:51 pm
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hey mate
yeah, 18 months is screaming fast!
i do the same do it at home and play play
and read and read
i am so happy for you. wow!
i was stationed in the AIr Force in UK long time ago
near oxford UK
Upper Heyford AFB, UK in 1990's.
i loved England great people great food great country.
thanks for the tips. well i am goingto set a benchmark to stud
and blasth those test away in undert 24 months not sure about 18
months but my benchmark is made! thanks
mate
robert
Wisconsin, USA
cheers!
hey i have a uk friend who has a great website
http://www.just2good.co.uk/check it out.
very cool guy!
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try this one better link
sorry but great tech forum there as well
man! you Uk dudes are smart!
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:48 pm
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I don't think that 18 months is particularly fast (no offense gorebrush ) I think a good pace is to budget 2 months per exam and many people can do an exam every month. It really just depends on how much experience you already have and how much time you can devote to studying.
As for your comments about having to recertify - When MS originally decided to retire the NT4 track, there were a TON of complaints from all of the MCSEs that were going to lose their certifications that they had worked so hard for. MS wisely decided to allow people to keep their certs after the exams retire. In other words, after the Windows 2000 track retires (for example), if you have achieved the MCSE, you can still call yourself an MCSE on Windows 2000. MS also offers upgrade paths. For example, you only have to pass 2 exams to upgrade from the 2000 to the 2003 track.
As for the CCNA.. You must recertify this every 3 years, although passing some of the higher level Cisco certs will automatically renew your CCNA. The current CCNA track was launched 2.5 years ago. I believe Cisco will retire the current exam late this year or early next year. It might be best to wait until next year to start on the CCNA. _________________ Did you know?
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:42 am
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jsprague wrote:
I don't think that 18 months is particularly fast (no offense gorebrush
None taken, I didn't think 18 months was very amazing. I've lost 5-6 months through having breaks and stuff, so in reality it's probably only a year of solid studying i've done. But I can't call it a year ;-)
If I was working on an MCSE full time, i'd have thought 4-6 months would probably be enough for me. But, I have a life too! _________________ David Jones BSc (Hons)
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Post subject: fast certs Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:28 am
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18 months is fast i think...hey speedy Mr 2 months a test
what is your method of study?
yeah, i can see if you do it already and study for a month; ahh
and cram i can see blasting it out of the water.
i just bought the trainsignal cbts and they are awesome!
i am going through them and doing it at home
cause i just cant rebuild my work servers;)
but at work does it improve my performance..i can tell
when my boss (data processor background)says we cant
i say we can! friction thouigh; but i like that i am learning stuff.
i learned alot about XPs fix or Qfix and Compatibility Tool and how to use
it it will come in handy when some of our software doesnt keep up
with XP standards; it is totally cool!
i love IT it is like playing at your work all day!
hee hee
thanks;
i appreciate all the help i can get; and you guys are awesome!
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:43 am
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I'm junping in here on my way out the door, and I only read the first post, (I'll catch up later), but I wanted to mention something...
Sure 7 exams were a lot, but you learn a LOT of stuff...and...
There have been shortcut upgrade paths between NT$ MCSE and 2000, annd again a shortcut path between 2000 and 2003.
Besides not making one rehash too much, the upgrade exams lean toward the "difference' stuff, so all in all, upgrade paths are concentrated, pretty interesting reads(:
Sure, some stuff is rehashed, but 2/3rds ie either new, or deeper than they had you go before. It ain't a bad deal _________________ MCSE / MCITP-EA
Post subject: but Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:09 am
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but isnt longhorn 2007 server suppose to be new technology
and vista some new technlogy and or file system and or kernal structure?
i have heard is so far removed from present day state of the art.
that the new stuff will look like childs play and us 2003 people will be
old news? i see what you mean by the upgrades. i appreciate you input
and anyone else who wants a stab at me please stab away!
this pooling of advise is really good stuff helps me and others get direction.
little less confused!
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Post subject: Re: yeah it is Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:27 pm
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itdaddy wrote:
hey mate
yeah, 18 months is screaming fast!
I have no idea how long it is "supposed" to take.
I started studying for my first exam (not counting the CompTIA stuff) in June 2005. By January I had 270, 290, 291, 299 and 293. Becuase of shceduling issue in my job, the next "slot" to take an exam is the 14th of April (hope to get 294). Definitely plan to sit 298 at the end of May.
Assuming that I do not fail either of the above (failed 291 twice ...) ... I'll have done the MCSE (7 exams) in exactly a year ...
I know I was talking to someone doing the 293 when I sat it in January - he was sitting one exam a week (and BOASTED about using certain sites and materials that are frowned upon here ...).
It all depends how muh you are already working with Windows/Exchange/whatever and how much time you can dedicate to study ...
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) I think a good pace is to budget 2 months per exam and many people can do an exam every month. It really just depends on how much experience you already have and how much time you can devote to studying.
