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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:59 pm
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Hi guys, I turn 16 soon and I just got my MCSA... woot Wink . I also have my A+ and Network+ as an elective. I get my highschool diploma in a few months (I go to continuation school, so I earn highschool credit much faster!) and I plan on owning an MCSE when I get it. I wanted to know if any of you guys have heard of students with comptia/microsoft certs getting any recognition from college admissions, perhaps even offering college credit or any kind of financial aid?
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The best that I can offer on this subject is another thread where a person in a similar situation mentioned this.

http://www.mcmcse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6440
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I would also recco that reading that thread, but for my own personal opinion, if I were a hiring manager, I wouldn't even interview you.
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If s/he were looking for a job, I wouldn't interview them either. Apparently, the youth of today are under the impression that you need/want an MCSA/MCSE just to get into college. If colleges actually recognize these certifications and consider them for admission, then the MS certifications truely have become even more worthless than we all thought.. I just don't get it... Sigh
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I just don't get it... Sigh
Yeah man, neither do I. I wish there some sort of age requirement on the exams. I know it's hard to enforce legally and all, but that would stop people who shouldn't hold the certs from holding them. I applaud the young peoples work energy, but it's too early. Instead of reccomending, M$ should require experience. Don't know how, but they should start thinking of a way. If not, all certs may be worthless someday.
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I just don't get it... Sigh
Yeah man, neither do I. I wish there some sort of age requirement on the exams. I know it's hard to enforce legally and all, but that would stop people who shouldn't hold the certs from holding them. I applaud the young peoples work energy, but it's too early. Instead of reccomending, M$ should require experience. Don't know how, but they should start thinking of a way. If not, all certs may be worthless someday.


I got an MCP for passing Installing, Configuring and Administering Windows XP Professional, I was 21.

I'm 22 in under 2 weeks, and will have MCSA: Messaging hopefully by September...

I've 9 months of actual real work experience, but about 18 years of computer experience, and 15 years of Microsoft OS exposure...
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If s/he were looking for a job, I wouldn't interview them either. Apparently, the youth of today are under the impression that you need/want an MCSA/MCSE just to get into college. If colleges actually recognize these certifications and consider them for admission, then the MS certifications truely have become even more worthless than we all thought.. I just don't get it... Sigh


Sorry, just to add to these comments...

I got my degree last year - Business Information Technology. A degree, by it's very nature is a very general and broad course of knowledge for the area you have read. Any Microsoft Exam (MCP exam then) shows specialisation in those areas.

I don't think it's the colleges place to subsidise specifically based on one particular set of exams, but what should happen is that they should understand the requirements of an MCP exam, or Cisco exam or Knitwear exam, (anything) and use that to further aid any candidate wishing to get on.
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I respect all your opinions on this matter.. but I'm still going for my MCSE whether if you like it or not. Wink

I know I'm young, but don't take me as some gifted genius or something, I'm not any smarter than you or other kids my age. Obviously you're aware that for a few kids in my generation our Atari was your Windows 3.1/9x; it's only apparent that a few kids would be "ahead" in something that has been our toy since we were infants.

I agree with you that a hiring manager considering me for a job is of low chance, so you don't have to worry about kids like me taking your job for lesser pay (especially jobs that I don't necessarily need because I don't have a family to support, bills to pay... etc.)

I also believe that knowing the stuff and having the cert are two completely different things, so I'm always going to be looking up to you gurus who have been in the field for so long even if you don't have a poopy piece of paper.

Anyway thanks for linking me to the other thread jsprague!
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:54 am
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Yes, I think there are several schools out there that will accept an MCSE towards college credit. However, many of them are looking at the credits going towards lifetime career credit, which wouldn't apply at this point in your life. But, schools like Strayer University and several online courses actually offer Microsoft courses geared towards Networking and obtaining an MCSE. I don't have any doubt that they would accept your MCSE and you could probably get credit for roughly 7 courses so look into it.
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harris_t wrote:
I respect all your opinions on this matter.. but I'm still going for my MCSE whether if you like it or not. Wink

I know I'm young, but don't take me as some gifted genius or something, I'm not any smarter than you or other kids my age. Obviously you're aware that for a few kids in my generation our Atari was your Windows 3.1/9x; it's only apparent that a few kids would be "ahead" in something that has been our toy since we were infants.

I agree with you that a hiring manager considering me for a job is of low chance, so you don't have to worry about kids like me taking your job for lesser pay (especially jobs that I don't necessarily need because I don't have a family to support, bills to pay... etc.)

I also believe that knowing the stuff and having the cert are two completely different things, so I'm always going to be looking up to you gurus who have been in the field for so long even if you don't have a poopy piece of paper.

Anyway thanks for linking me to the other thread jsprague!


Hat's off for commitment. You remind me of me! How long have you been into PC's? I've been using them since 1990, and wanted to do an MCSE pretty much since I was 14/15 when I started my A-Level in Computer Science. I never really got round to it because of School/College. I could have taken it through university, but in the end decided not to. I think it's because at the time Windows 2003 was around the corner and emerging, I decided to wait until it was available as a course, and now here I am, having passed two exams, halfway to an MCSA.
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Nice job harris_t, keep up the good work...but don't forget, girl's and liscences go together like Oreo's and milk!
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I also believe that knowing the stuff and having the cert are two completely different things, so I'm always going to be looking up to you gurus who have been in the field for so long even if you don't have a poopy piece of paper.


Unfortunatly, it's people like you who make that piece of paper, "poopy". Nothing personal. Sigh
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harris_t wrote:
I also believe that knowing the stuff and having the cert are two completely different things, so I'm always going to be looking up to you gurus who have been in the field for so long even if you don't have a poopy piece of paper.


Unfortunatly, it's people like you who make that piece of paper, "poopy". Nothing personal. Sigh


He is right. There's a massive difference between studying it, and knowing how to use it on the job. I know, i've done both myself.
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Wow 16! Surprised kinda scary, when i was 16 i was thinking about girls not certs..im 21 now and MCSA but i have had alot of on the job training (been working in the IT field since i was 17), taken classes, read books, made mistakes but never the less i have learned and gathered my information the right way i think, and unlike many people i hear about useing braindumps or other resources like that i feel bad for theme in the future when it comes time to acctually do some of the common most basic tasks that they will be required to do and fail.....so words of wisdom my young paper cert stick to the things your good at now (getting in trouble) and leave the job worries and certs for when your ready and a bit older.
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Sad harris_t, I'm sorry it seems like these old farts are intimidated by your youth and drive. Just ignore them. My hats off to you. True some employers will look twice at you because of your age but then there are the ones like my boss who are willing to give someone a break and hire you for less pay to start until you get the on the job experience you need. Don't give up. Stay out of trouble and continue your education. Look into Internships for the on the job training you need while going to college.
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